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Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« on: July 17, 2008, 05:06:06 PM »

And as the last days of Php 4 rapidly approach, we will be switching to Php 5 as default on Mig and Aries starting August 1st. It will be a very seamless transition, however those of you that are using this .htaccess code to run Php 5 will need to remove it:

Code:
AddType application/x-httpd-php5 .php
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php5 .php

You will need do nothing to run Php 5 as it will be the default version. We'll also keep Php 4 running for another month or two for folks that will need to update their scripts. You'll just need to put this code in your chosen directories .htaccess file to run Php 4:

Code:
AddType application/x-httpd-php4 .php
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php4 .php

Those folks on Capricorn need not do anything as Php 5 is already running as default. If you want to run Php 4 on Cap use the same code above. I will post a warning on when we will be completely removing Php 4 from ALL servers in the not too distant future.

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2008, 12:16:29 PM »

...I will post a warning on when we will be completely removing Php 4 from ALL servers in the not too distant future.

That will mean we won't have Flash.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2008, 12:52:47 PM »

That will mean we won't have Flash.

That's correct Mike. libswf has not been updated since 2004. It's abandoned and no one is writing a version for Php 5.

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

I stopped by the book store to see if I was remembering a book title correctly and saw that I was. There is a book called "PHP 5 For Flash". It goes into detail on how to install Apache and PHP but doesn't say anyting about installing Flash that is compatible with PHP 5.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 11:14:38 PM »

I stopped by the book store to see if I was remembering a book title correctly and saw that I was. There is a book called "PHP 5 For Flash". It goes into detail on how to install Apache and PHP but doesn't say anyting about installing Flash that is compatible with PHP 5.

Mike,
If you can find me a lib similar to libswf that will work on Php5, hey, I'm all ears.

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 08:04:01 AM »

A suggestion: The version of Imagick on Capricorn is a little out of date and os missing Distort, Wave, Polaroid and a few other methods that are on the newest version. Maybe while you are already updating Mig and Aris you can give them the newest version of Imagick.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 07:38:55 PM »

A suggestion: The version of Imagick on Capricorn is a little out of date and os missing Distort, Wave, Polaroid and a few other methods that are on the newest version. Maybe while you are already updating Mig and Aris you can give them the newest version of Imagick.


Hi Mike,
I'm in the process of installing this now. However in order to do this I needed to remove the old IM. So until further notice we now have NO IM running at all on Cap. The caveat to all of this is that the new IM requires a bunch of new libraries in order to install properly on the server. Normally in linux that's no longer that big of an issue as most linux os's have what's called "repositories" that allow you to use a program to search all of the available repositories for that particular flavor of linux and it will automatically install the needed dependencies. However this is a production web server and frankly we don't want to automatically search repositories for security reasons. So, I will need to search and install each library one at a time. And there could also be dependencies for each of those libraries. So here we go. In old school Linux back before they had automatic dependency search programs this was called "dependency hell".  And that's where I'm at now.

I'll let ya'll know when IM is back up. And there will also probably be an announcement regarding this also. And I think ya'll are going to like it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 09:33:36 PM »

Hi Mike,
I'm in the process of installing this now. However in order to do this I needed to remove the old IM. So until further notice we now have NO IM running at all on Cap. The caveat to all of this is that the new IM requires a bunch of new libraries in order to install properly on the server. Normally in linux that's no longer that big of an issue as most linux os's have what's called "repositories" that allow you to use a program to search all of the available repositories for that particular flavor of linux and it will automatically install the needed dependencies. However this is a production web server and frankly we don't want to automatically search repositories for security reasons. So, I will need to search and install each library one at a time. And there could also be dependencies for each of those libraries. So here we go. In old school Linux back before they had automatic dependency search programs this was called "dependency hell".  And that's where I'm at now.

I'll let ya'll know when IM is back up. And there will also probably be an announcement regarding this also. And I think ya'll are going to like it.

~;-)

Bert

Ok. Well I tried every permutation of all the current newest versions dating back to early June and nothing but errors. The dependencies that are needed do not exist for our operating system. And because of the way the folks at ImageMagick handle things, they most likely never will. This is why there are so many servers who have just dropped it entirely. We will keep the version that is native to Cpanel, and when Cpanel deems it's needed to upgrade it that will happen. And only then. I know that's going to disappoint some folks. And it's going to disappoint even more folks who rely on MagickStudio, as MagickStudio will no longer work unless ImageMagick is the latest and greatest version. But it doesn't work with our version of Linux. Either here on Cap or Mig and Aries. Sorry kids. Ya'll have to remember, trying to support a third party script can be iffy at best at times, and when that third party changes things on a whim and don't make it compatible with previous versions, then what ya gonna do?

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 10:20:39 PM »

I was refering to the Imagick class for PHP not Imagemagick, the online image tool. I don't know how much they are related or even if they are related at all. My Imagick examples are still working:

http://eclecticdjs.com/mike/tutorials/php/imagemagick/examples_03/sepia.php

To add to the confusion Linda posted some Imagick from the command line examples that worked for me but using code like I used in the example above I get an "unknown method" error.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 07:07:32 AM »

I was refering to the Imagick class for PHP not Imagemagick, the online image tool. I don't know how much they are related or even if they are related at all. My Imagick examples are still working:

http://eclecticdjs.com/mike/tutorials/php/imagemagick/examples_03/sepia.php

To add to the confusion Linda posted some Imagick from the command line examples that worked for me but using code like I used in the example above I get an "unknown method" error.

Jeez, sorry Mike for my confusion. The two are very related as Imagick needs ImageMagick to run. I have updated Cap's version of Imagick to 2.2.0 which is the latest stable release.

ImageMagick has a section of it's forum just for Imagick:

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewforum.php?f=18

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 04:31:06 PM »

Jeez, sorry Mike for my confusion. The two are very related as Imagick needs ImageMagick to run. I have updated Cap's version of Imagick to 2.2.0 which is the latest stable release.

ImageMagick has a section of it's forum just for Imagick:

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewforum.php?f=18

~;-)

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I was thnking that it was the other way around but now that you mention it I remamber that it works for Perl and other languages so I had to be wrong.

Funny thing happened. I have a script that tells all the methods in Imagick. I used it so I didn't waste time trying methods like Distort that were not supported. I went to the script earlier today to see if the newer methods were supported yet and the whole list was in Alt-characters. Didn't look like the characters that would translate to Russion or Chinese though. I was goig to post a link to the script but I'm having a lot of trouble getting through today.
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2008, 06:26:44 AM »

Ok. Well I tried every permutation of all the current newest versions dating back to early June and nothing but errors. The dependencies that are needed do not exist for our operating system. And because of the way the folks at ImageMagick handle things, they most likely never will. This is why there are so many servers who have just dropped it entirely. We will keep the version that is native to Cpanel, and when Cpanel deems it's needed to upgrade it that will happen. And only then. I know that's going to disappoint some folks. And it's going to disappoint even more folks who rely on MagickStudio, as MagickStudio will no longer work unless ImageMagick is the latest and greatest version. But it doesn't work with our version of Linux. Either here on Cap or Mig and Aries. Sorry kids. Ya'll have to remember, trying to support a third party script can be iffy at best at times, and when that third party changes things on a whim and don't make it compatible with previous versions, then what ya gonna do?

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Hi Bert.  A question.  If php (magickstudio) imagemagick is more or less begining dropped then is it possible that Mr. C's IM will go to perl version?  Which program will linux use?

This is confusing and got less information reading their forum.  It has always seemed it's all designed for computer.

I am just hoping all the work Mike, Linda with imagemagick (not IMAGICK) and others have given will still work for us. I just can't see _totally_ going to perl version until wtv is at an end.

Thanks for answering and helping with my confusion.

lila
ps. I do understand the dependency of IMAGICK to imagemagick for IMAGICK to function.

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2008, 07:03:03 AM »

Bert. Here is an example of functions using 'Edit' that will work at zbox. Mike has spent many hours with these in a tool format.

This was designed to use with IMAGICK with Mike helping in 

news:alt.discuss.scripting.php.

I would like to see his work being used and with my design of 'EDIT' codes to ccp and add to a directory of choice to test it would be nice. Thanks...lila 
Code:
#<<>?php
header('Content-type: image/jpeg');
$image = new Imagick('girlingoldtrees.jpg');
#$image->distortImage(Imagick::DISTORTION_PERSPECT
#IVE,array('7,40,4,30,4,124,4,123,85,122,100,123,85,2,100,#30),true);
#$image->negateImage(FALSE,imagick::CHANNEL_ALL);
#$image->negateImage(FALSE,imagick::CHANNEL_RED);
#$image->tintimage(#ff0088,90);
#$image->resizeimage(0,100,imagick::FILTER_HAMMING,#0,FALSE); //using color name as string
#$image->colorizeImage("navy",1.5);
#$image->sepiatoneImage(80);
#$image->cropImage(20,20, 88,62);
#$image->edgeImage(45);
#$image->frameImage("#123456",20,20,5,5);
//How to set a 1 pixel border on an image //object ($im);
#$image->raiseImage(100,100,220,190,TRUE);
#$image->blurimage(5,3);
#$image->magnifyimage(50);
#$image->radialblurimage(10);
#$image->radialblurimage(180,imagick::CHANNEL_YELLO#W);
#$image->equalizeimage();
#$image->flopImage();
#$image->reducenoiseImage(5);
//Imagick::rotate Image(mixed $background,float $degrees)
#$image->rotateimage("transparent",20 ); #$image->rollimage(50,100);
#$image->shearImage("#444444",20,40);
#$image->spliceImage(15,15,108,242);
#$image->scaleimage(350,400,FALSE );
//$thumb = $im->clone();
#$thumb->thumbnailImage(250, 150);
#$image->thumbnailImage(200,200);
#$q = $image->quantizeImage(15,5,15,False,True);
#$image->normalizeimage();
$image->posterizeImage(4,FALSE);
#$image->posterizeimage(2,true);
#$image->shaveimage(20,30);
#$image->sigmoidalcontrastImage(0,3,50);
#$image->sigmoidalcontrastImage(1,3,50);
#$image->solarizeImage(49500);
#$image->sampleimage(400,400);
#$image->thumbnailimage(50,0);
#$image->thresholdImage($max/2);
#$image->thresholdImage($max/2,imagick::CHANNEL_BL##UE);
#$color = "#999999";
#$image->blackthresholdImage("$color");
#$image->whitethresholdImage("$color");
#$image->oilpaintImage(4);
#$image->distortImage(Imagick::DISTORTION_PERSPECT#IVE,array(7,40,4,30,4,124,4,123,85,122,100,123,85,2,100,#30),true); $properties = new ImagickDraw(); $image->polaroidimage($properties,45); /*Round corners, web 2.0! */
#$image->roundCorners(35,35);
echo $image;
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2008, 08:06:59 AM »

Hi Bert.  A question.  If php (magickstudio) imagemagick is more or less begining dropped then is it possible that Mr. C's IM will go to perl version?  Which program will linux use?

This is confusing and got less information reading their forum.  It has always seemed it's all designed for computer.

I am just hoping all the work Mike, Linda with imagemagick (not IMAGICK) and others have given will still work for us. I just can't see _totally_ going to perl version until wtv is at an end.

Thanks for answering and helping with my confusion.

lila
ps. I do understand the dependency of IMAGICK to imagemagick for IMAGICK to function.

 wub
 

Hi Lila,

Ok first off I think some definitions are called for:

ImageMagick is a software program written in the "C" programming language for image manipulation. Much like "Photoshop", "The Gimp", "Paint Shop Pro", and "Irfanview" for PC users. However out of the box ImageMagick does NOT have a Graphical User Interface (GUI) like the others listed. ImageMagick is command line only right out of the box.

Imagick is a "wrapper" that allows you to manipulate images via php. That's all I really know about it, maybe Mike can explain more.

image::magick is a perl extension that allows you to utilize the ImageMagick library via perl.

Perlmagick is a perl interface to ImageMagick. That's about all I know about it also.

MagickStudio is a script written in perl that gives you a web based GUI (albeit a very spartan GUI) to ImageMagick. I have heard of no other GUI's for ImageMagick. Why? Well I think it's more of a "why bother" as there are so many other free (The Gimp, Irfanview) and pay for (Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro) programs with very nice GUI's available.

We are not going to "drop" ImageMagick. I'm just not going to be able to provide the latest and greatest versions until some changes are made over at the ImageMagick camp. We'll just be stuck with the versions that come with Cpanel and will upgrade when those are available.

However, I am teetering on the edge of dropping MagickStudio. The problem with MagickStudio is that when an upgrade happens to ImageMagick it can break MagickStudio. And when that happens you will need to upgrade MagickStudio also. I believe that's why the ZboX MagickStudio is down, and I asked that question over in the ImageMagick forum and never received an answer. The problem with this upgrade to MagickStudio is there are a lot of changes to it and there isn't really any support for how to make it work. For instance with the new version I would have to totally revamp the way the fonts are installed. And we have a lot of fonts which took me quite some time to get installed properly. Now I have to start all over again on that. And that being said, I have a LOT of other things I need to do as opposed to spending so much time on MagickStudio. THAT is the reason so many other servers have dropped MagickStudio completely.

I'm going to give MagickStudio on last chance over on Cap. If I can get it working there, then there will be another new free for everyone to use MagickStudio installation. But if it gives me as much trouble as it has over on Aries, then I'm going to drop it like a hot tater.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2008, 08:10:19 AM »

Bert. Here is an example of functions using 'Edit' that will work at zbox. Mike has spent many hours with these in a tool format.

This was designed to use with IMAGICK with Mike helping in 

news:alt.discuss.scripting.php.

I would like to see his work being used and with my design of 'EDIT' codes to ccp and add to a directory of choice to test it would be nice. Thanks...lila 
Code:
#<<>?php
header('Content-type: image/jpeg');
$image = new Imagick('girlingoldtrees.jpg');
#$image->distortImage(Imagick::DISTORTION_PERSPECT
#IVE,array('7,40,4,30,4,124,4,123,85,122,100,123,85,2,100,#30),true);
#$image->negateImage(FALSE,imagick::CHANNEL_ALL);
#$image->negateImage(FALSE,imagick::CHANNEL_RED);
#$image->tintimage(#ff0088,90);
#$image->resizeimage(0,100,imagick::FILTER_HAMMING,#0,FALSE); //using color name as string
#$image->colorizeImage("navy",1.5);
#$image->sepiatoneImage(80);
#$image->cropImage(20,20, 88,62);
#$image->edgeImage(45);
#$image->frameImage("#123456",20,20,5,5);
//How to set a 1 pixel border on an image //object ($im);
#$image->raiseImage(100,100,220,190,TRUE);
#$image->blurimage(5,3);
#$image->magnifyimage(50);
#$image->radialblurimage(10);
#$image->radialblurimage(180,imagick::CHANNEL_YELLO#W);
#$image->equalizeimage();
#$image->flopImage();
#$image->reducenoiseImage(5);
//Imagick::rotate Image(mixed $background,float $degrees)
#$image->rotateimage("transparent",20 ); #$image->rollimage(50,100);
#$image->shearImage("#444444",20,40);
#$image->spliceImage(15,15,108,242);
#$image->scaleimage(350,400,FALSE );
//$thumb = $im->clone();
#$thumb->thumbnailImage(250, 150);
#$image->thumbnailImage(200,200);
#$q = $image->quantizeImage(15,5,15,False,True);
#$image->normalizeimage();
$image->posterizeImage(4,FALSE);
#$image->posterizeimage(2,true);
#$image->shaveimage(20,30);
#$image->sigmoidalcontrastImage(0,3,50);
#$image->sigmoidalcontrastImage(1,3,50);
#$image->solarizeImage(49500);
#$image->sampleimage(400,400);
#$image->thumbnailimage(50,0);
#$image->thresholdImage($max/2);
#$image->thresholdImage($max/2,imagick::CHANNEL_BL##UE);
#$color = "#999999";
#$image->blackthresholdImage("$color");
#$image->whitethresholdImage("$color");
#$image->oilpaintImage(4);
#$image->distortImage(Imagick::DISTORTION_PERSPECT#IVE,array(7,40,4,30,4,124,4,123,85,122,100,123,85,2,100,#30),true); $properties = new ImagickDraw(); $image->polaroidimage($properties,45); /*Round corners, web 2.0! */
#$image->roundCorners(35,35);
echo $image;
?>

Hi Lila,
Beg pardon, but I'm not really sure what you are asking.

~;-)

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2008, 08:57:25 AM »

ImageMagick is a software program written in the "C" programming language for image manipulation.
I didn't know it was C. Does that mean that we cn do C? I never thought of that.

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However out of the box ImageMagick does NOT have a Graphical User Interface (GUI) like the others listed. ImageMagick is command line only right out of the box.

Imagick is a "wrapper" that allows you to manipulate images via php. That's all I really know about it, maybe Mike can explain more.
Probably not but I think that there is some other interface something like MagickStudio thet you can download onto a computer. I read about it on an ImageMagick site a long time ago.

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The problem with this upgrade to MagickStudio is there are a lot of changes to it and there isn't really any support for how to make it work.
That doesn't surprise me. At http://php.net there are 4 classes listed with a sum of more than 500 methods listed for them. Of those 500+ methods, maybe 10 have ANY documentation at all, much less an example. I, a lowly webtv user, have more methods for the Imagick class documentated in one place than any other place in the internet that I have found.

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For instance with the new version I would have to totally revamp the way the fonts are installed. And we have a lot of fonts which took me quite some time to get installed properly.
Using the ImagickDraw class there doesn't seem to be any way of adding fonts at all. You are limited to the fonts that come with it.

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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2008, 09:29:02 AM »

Bert, re my post with functions listed..if anyone wants to see what it will do, ccp it into a PHP5 directory, then uncomment the one you want to see demonstrated. There is nothing else to do. grin.

ADDED: use your own image of choice in relative url.

Where could we get information on host server for fonts available for IMAGICK?  If not, where is the information, if anyone knows as I don't, to find fonts listed for IMAGICK use?
Or is it one of those countless hours of trial and error?

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Thanks,
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2008, 09:38:41 AM »

Bert, re my post with functions listed..if anyone wants to see what it will do, ccp it into a PHP5 directory, then uncomment the one you want to see demonstrated. There is nothing else to do. grin.

Where could we get information on host server for fonts available for IMAGICK?  If not, where is the information, if anyone knows as I don't, to find fonts listed for IMAGICK use?
Or is it one of those countless hours of trial and error?

rofl1


Thanks,
lila


Oh ok Lila. As for fonts, to the best of my knowledge you can only use the available standard fonts that are on the server. I don't believe it's possible to add more.

Bert
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2008, 09:49:30 AM »

...and know you listed useable fonts for us somewhere, but please point me to that post.  I do not have a list of fonts we can use at zbox.  Thank you, lila
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2008, 10:29:41 AM »

...and know you listed useable fonts for us somewhere, but please point me to that post.  I do not have a list of fonts we can use at zbox.  Thank you, lila

PHP: Imagick::queryFonts - Manual
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagick-queryfonts.php

I have an example but it is not accessable right now because of the connection problem
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2008, 10:55:36 AM »

Thanks, Mike.  I will check that out.


Below are a few images the above functions will do.

In working with old photos of family these can be done in sepiatone.

I am sure there are many people that are familiar with using IM that can do a mulitude of things with these lines of code.  To "Edit" go to the script to change numbers, color, or image..whatever. 
[url=http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/rockywc-oilpaint.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/rockywc-oilpaint.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/rocky,wv,posterize,polaroid.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/raise.100.100.180.200.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/cattails.distort.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/1st.splice.jpg


Some of these are vidcaps I took.]

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/rockywc-oilpaint.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/rocky,wv,posterize,polaroid.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/raise.100.100.180.200.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/cattails.distort.jpg

http://dlilahl.zboxhosting.com/00IMAGICK/1st.splice.jpg


Some of these are vidcaps I took.
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2008, 06:42:06 AM »

And as the last days of Php 4 rapidly approach, we will be switching to Php 5 as default on Mig and Aries starting August 1st. It will be a very seamless transition, however those of you that are using this .htaccess code to run Php 5 will need to remove it:

Code:
AddType application/x-httpd-php5 .php
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php5 .php

You will need do nothing to run Php 5 as it will be the default version. We'll also keep Php 4 running for another month or two for folks that will need to update their scripts. You'll just need to put this code in your chosen directories .htaccess file to run Php 4:

Code:
AddType application/x-httpd-php4 .php
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php4 .php

Those folks on Capricorn need not do anything as Php 5 is already running as default. If you want to run Php 4 on Cap use the same code above. I will post a warning on when we will be completely removing Php 4 from ALL servers in the not too distant future.

~;-)

Bert

There has been a delay on this in case you haven't noticed. The actual switch will happen on the 28th of this month.

Bert
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Re: Php 5 Will run as default Php version on Mig and Aries starting August 1st!
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 07:53:34 PM »

There has been a delay on this in case you haven't noticed. The actual switch will happen on the 28th of this month.

Bert

I have just heard from the Sysadmins that there will be a further delay until the 14th of September. They want to make sure everything is in order before the switch. And that's a good thing.

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